07:23 Yasuhiro Kimura (yasu) 

deskutils/virt-manager: Move man pages to share/man

Approved by:	portmgr (blanket)

    050ff9f

19:34 Rene Ladan (rene) 

all: remove explicit versions in USES=python for "3.x+"

The logic in USES=python will automatically convert this to 3.8+ by
itself.

Adjust two ports that only had Python 3.7 mentioned but build fine
on Python 3.8 too.

finance/quickfix: mark BROKEN with PYTHON

libtool: compile:  c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -I -I. -I.. -I../.. -I../C++
-DLIBICONV_PLUG -DPYTHON_MAJOR_VERSION=3 -Wno-unused-variable
-Wno-maybe-uninitialized -O2 -pipe -DLIBICONV_PLUG -fstack-protector-strong
-fno-strict-aliasing -DLIBICONV_PLUG -Wall -ansi
-Wno-unused-command-line-argument -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings
-Wno-overloaded-virtual -Wno-deprecated-declarations -Wno-deprecated -std=c++0x
-MT _quickfix_la-QuickfixPython.lo -MD -MP -MF
.deps/_quickfix_la-QuickfixPython.Tpo -c QuickfixPython.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o
.libs/_quickfix_la-QuickfixPython.o
warning: unknown warning option '-Wno-maybe-uninitialized'; did you mean
'-Wno-uninitialized'? [-Wunknown-warning-option]
QuickfixPython.cpp:175:11: fatal error: 'Python.h' file not found
          ^~~~~~~~~~
1 warning and 1 error generated.

Reviewed by:	portmgr, vishwin, yuri
Differential Revision:	<https://reviews.freebsd.org/D40568>

    3d9a815

15:17 Christian Weisgerber (naddy) 

audio/opus: bump consumers after update to 1.4

    feb1fa3

05:23 Tobias C. Berner (tcberner) 

accessibility/at-spi2-core: update to 2.46.0

What's new in at-spi2-core 2.46.0:
* Fix GetInterfaces documentation on org.a11y.atspi.Accessible
  interface.

What's new in at-spi2-core 2.45.91:
* Send device event controller events using the same signature as other
  events.
* Document the Accessible, Action, and Cache dbus interfaces.
* Fix license of atspi-gmain.c (#87).

What's new in at-spi2-core 2.45.90:
* xml: Add some documentation.
* xml: Fix event arguments.
* xml: Add some missing DeviceEventController methods.
* Bind the AT-SPI bus to the graphical session.
* Mark bus service as belonging to the session slice.
* Add ATSPI_ROLE_PUSH_BUTTON_MENU.
* Add an "announcement" event/signal to allow objects to send
  notifications (!63).
* Various code clean-ups and test improvements.

What's new in at-spi2-core 2.45.1:
* Atk and at-spi2-atk are now merged into this project.
* Now requires meson 0.56.2 and glib 2.67.4.
* at-spi2-atk: Expose the accessible hierarchy via dbus introspection.
* Properly escape the AT-SPI bus address; fixes warnings about the address
  not containing a colon (!55).
* Add a text value to AtspiValue, so that a value can expose a textual
  description, as in the new Atk value API.
* Add atspi_event_listener_register_with_app, to allow an event listener
  to be registered only for a given application (!52).

- accessibility/atk and accessibility/at-spi2-atk have been merged into
  accessibility/at-spi2-core

- accessibility/at-spi2-core: bump consumers of removed ports atk and
at-spi2-atk

PR:		269704
Exp-run by:	antoine
---

    fa81a4f

20:35 Roman Bogorodskiy (novel) 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 4.1.0

    b1bd7c8

21:10 Stefan Eßer (se) 

Add WWW entries to port Makefiles

It has been common practice to have one or more URLs at the end of the
ports' pkg-descr files, one per line and prefixed with "WWW:". These
URLs should point at a project website or other relevant resources.

Access to these URLs required processing of the pkg-descr files, and
they have often become stale over time. If more than one such URL was
present in a pkg-descr file, only the first one was tarnsfered into
the port INDEX, but for many ports only the last line did contain the
port specific URL to further information.

There have been several proposals to make a project URL available as
a macro in the ports' Makefiles, over time.

This commit implements such a proposal and moves one of the WWW: entries
of each pkg-descr file into the respective port's Makefile. A heuristic
attempts to identify the most relevant URL in case there is more than
one WWW: entry in some pkg-descr file. URLs that are not moved into the
Makefile are prefixed with "See also:" instead of "WWW:" in the pkg-descr
files in order to preserve them.

There are 1256 ports that had no WWW: entries in pkg-descr files. These
ports will not be touched in this commit.

The portlint port has been adjusted to expect a WWW entry in each port
Makefile, and to flag any remaining "WWW:" lines in pkg-descr files as
deprecated.

Approved by:		portmgr (tcberner)

    b7f0544

19:11 Charlie Li (vishwin) 

textproc/libxml2: bump all LIB_DEPENDS consumers

This is a separate commit to facilitate easier cherry-picking for
quarterly.

PR: 262853, 262940, 262877, 263126
Approved by: fluffy (mentor)

    d63665f

08:27 Matthias Fechner (mfechner) 

textproc/libxml2: bump all dependencies

This should make sure that all dependent ports will pick
up the new version commited with a13ec21cd733f67a9fc0dc00ab45268bdc236246

    247c7db

13:00 Roman Bogorodskiy (novel) 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 4.0.0

    775d857

08:36 Tobias Kortkamp (tobik) 

*: apply refactor.remove-consecutive-empty-lines

Submitted by:	portedit

    ce1af7f

19:44 Baptiste Daroussin (bapt) 

INSTALLS_ICONS: retire the macro and rework the related dependencies

While here, make sure gtk-update-icon-cache is only on run dependency
where added as a dependency
Enforce gtk3 to depend on gtk-update-icon-cache (previously it was
inheriting the dependency)

    2c672a4

08:09 Mathieu Arnold (mat) 

One more small cleanup, forgotten yesterday.
Reported by:	lwhsu

    cf118cc

14:31 Mathieu Arnold (mat) 

Remove # $FreeBSD$ from Makefiles.

    305f148

13:42 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 3.2.0

 

17:08 tcberner 

Prefer graphics/ligvrsvg2-rust over graphics/librsvg2

- switch to the more modern version of librsvg2 on architectures
  supporting rust
- this will fix some graphical issues on these architectures

PR:		250276
Exp-run by:	antoine
Submitted by:	tobik
Differential Revision:	https://reviews.freebsd.org/D18878

 

04:32 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 3.1.0

 

11:33 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 3.0.0

 

10:50 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: add missing dependency

Register dependency on gtksourceview4. Without it,
virt-manager fails to open VM details window.

Reported by:	Musaelyanc Alexey

 

20:11 jgh 

- no longer hosting distfiles

 

09:46 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 2.2.1

 

19:35 rene 

Remove esound support from pulseaudio as audio/esound expired.

Bump PORTREVISIONs of dependent ports.

Build-tested in poudriere on a head-amd64 jail for audio/pulseaudio*

 

23:51 sunpoet 

Update MASTER_SITES and WWW

Approved by:	portmgr (blanket)

 

16:39 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 2.1.0

 

11:54 tobik 

Do not set INSTALLS_ICONS twice

While here add USES=gnome

 

13:06 tcberner 

deskutils/virt-manager: add USE_PYTHON=noflavors

[00:01:34] Warning: (deskutils/virt-manager@py35): Error: Duplicated origin for
virt-manager-2.0.0: deskutils/virt-manager@py35 AND deskutils/virt-manager.
Rerun with -v to see which ports are depending on these.
[00:01:34] Warning: (deskutils/virt-manager@py37): Error: Duplicated origin for
virt-manager-2.0.0: deskutils/virt-manager@py37 AND deskutils/virt-manager.
Rerun with -v to see which ports are depending on these.

Approved by:	portmgr (antoine)

 

17:23 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 2.0.0

 * Bump required to 3.3+ as 2.7 is no longer supported
 * Drop www/py-urlgrabber dependency as it's not used anymore

 

17:05 mat 

Use PY_FLAVOR for dependencies.

FLAVOR is the current port's flavor, it should not be used outside of
this scope.

Sponsored by:	Absolight

 

13:35 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 1.5.1

Also, and runtime dependency on security/openssh-askpass which is used
when connecting over ssh.

 

15:50 mat 

Convert Python ports to FLAVORS.

  Ports using USE_PYTHON=distutils are now flavored.  They will
  automatically get flavors (py27, py34, py35, py36) depending on what
  versions they support.

  There is also a USE_PYTHON=flavors for ports that do not use distutils
  but need FLAVORS to be set.  A USE_PYTHON=noflavors can be set if
  using distutils but flavors are not wanted.

  A new USE_PYTHON=optsuffix that will add PYTHON_PKGNAMESUFFIX has been
  added to cope with Python ports that did not have the Python
  PKGNAMEPREFIX but are flavored.

  USES=python now also exports a PY_FLAVOR variable that contains the
  current python flavor.  It can be used in dependency lines when the
  port itself is not python flavored.  For example, deskutils/calibre.

  By default, all the flavors are generated.  To only generate flavors
  for the versions in PYTHON2_DEFAULT and PYTHON3_DEFAULT, define
  BUILD_DEFAULT_PYTHON_FLAVORS in your make.conf.

  In all the ports with Python dependencies, the *_DEPENDS entries MUST
  end with the flavor so that the framework knows which to build/use.
  This is done by appending '@${PY_FLAVOR}' after the origin (or
  @${FLAVOR} if in a Python module with Python flavors, as the content
  will be the same).  For example:

    RUN_DEPENDS= ${PYTHON_PKGNAMEPREFIX}six>0:devel/py-six@${PY_FLAVOR}

PR:		223071
Reviewed by:	portmgr, python
Sponsored by:	Absolight
Differential Revision:	https://reviews.freebsd.org/D12464

 

09:14 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 1.4.3

 

07:07 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 1.4.2

 

15:05 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 1.4.1

 - Update to 1.4.1
 - Drop patch-virtManager_viewers.py as it was previously
   cherry-picked from upstream, but it's included into this release

PR:		220515
Submitted by:	Yonas Yanfa

 

16:10 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: fix spice console

 - add an upstream patch to fix spice console
 - bump PORTREVISION

PR:		214625
Submitted by:	Alexandr Krivulya
Obtained from:	upstream git repository

 

16:43 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 1.4.0

 

17:23 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: add missing run dep on www/py-requests

Bump PORTREVISION due to packaging change.

Reported by:	Rainbow <rainbow@hacker.horse>

 

03:44 novel 

deskutils/virt-manager: update to 1.3.2

 

14:00 mat 

Remove ${PORTSDIR}/ from dependencies, categories d, e, f, and g.

With hat:	portmgr
Sponsored by:	Absolight

 

14:50 amdmi3 

Improve shebangfix framework

- Support multiple values in *_OLD_CMD, i.e. we can now fix both
"/usr/bin/python" and "/usr/bin/env python" at the same time
- Default *_OLD_CMD values are now always appended, so you don't need to specify
them in individual ports
- Add lua support (depends on USES=lua)
- Add more default values, such as "/usr/bin/env foo" for python, perl, bash,
ruby and lua
- Shebangfix now matches whole words, e.g. we will no longer (erroneously)
replace "/usr/bin/perl5.005" with "${perl_CMD}5.005" (but "/usr/bin/perl -tt" is
still (correctly) replaced with "${perl_CMD} -tt")

Note that *_OLD_CMD items containing spaces must now be quoted (e.g.
perl_OLD_CMD=/bin/perl /usr/bin/perl "/usr/bin/env perl")

Update shebangfix usage according to new rules in many ports:

- Remove *_OLD_CMD for patterns now replaced by default
- Quote custom *_OLD_CMD which contain spaces

Fix shebangfix usage in many ports (irrelevant to infrastructure change):

- Remove redundant SHEBANG_LANG (no need to duplicate default langs)
- Remove redundant *_CMD (such as
python_CMD=${LOCALBASE}/bin/python${PYTHON_VER} when USES=python is present)
- Never use *_OLD_CMD in REINPLACE_CMD matchers, these should always look for
exact string

Approved by:	portmgr (bapt)
Differential Revision:	D3756

 

18:26 jgh 

- over to novel@

 

16:15 jgh 

- address location of cpu_map.xml in capabilities.py [1]
- Use GtkVnc.Display() not GtkVnc.Display.new() [2]
- bump portrev

Both of these issues have been addressed upstream by crobinso@redhat.com:
[1]
https://github.com/virt-manager/virt-manager/commit/b15c44923c9af9d42d04a508de0d9cc8744dc73e
[2]
https://github.com/virt-manager/virt-manager/commit/5df6757a0bd9b8f4dcca17a73bad3d9fe46d7823

PR:		203152 [2]
Submitted by:	yonas@fizk.net [2], daniel@morante.net (via mail) [1]

 

21:10 jgh 

- update to 1.2.1

From Changelog:

Release 1.2.1 (June 06, 2015)
-----------------------------
- Bugfix release
- Fix connecting to older libvirt versions (Michal Kepie'n)
- Fix connecting to VM console with non-IP hostname (Giuseppe Scrivano)
- Fix addhardware/create wizard errors when a nodedev disappears
- Fix adding a second cdrom via customize dialog

Release 1.2.0 (May 04, 2015)
----------------------------
- OVMF/AAVMF Support (Laszlo Ersek, Giuseppe Scrivano, Cole Robinson)
- Improved support for AArch64 qemu/kvm
- virt-install: Support --disk type=network parameters
- virt-install: Make --disk  just work
- virt-install: Add --disk sgio= option (Giuseppe Scrivano)
- addhardware: default to an existing bus when adding a new disk
  (Giuseppe Scrivano)
- virt-install: Add --input device option
- virt-manager: Unify storagebrowser and storage details functionality
- virt-manager: allow setting a custom connection row name
- virt-install: Support --hostdev scsi passthrough
- virt-install: Fill in a bunch of --graphics spice options
- Disable spice image compression for new local VMs
- virt-manager: big reworking of the migration dialog

 

17:48 jgh 

- address python issue with Uses shebang

PR:		202106
Reported by:	lantw44@gmail.com

 

11:20 amdmi3 

- Properly fix all shebangs
- Add NO_ARCH

Reported by:	kwm
Approved by:	portmgr blanket
MFH:		2015Q3 (blanket)

 

21:31 amdmi3 

- Fix shebangs

Approved by:	portmgr blanket
MFH:		2015Q3 (blanket)

 

16:25 jgh 

- fix Xen text console issue

PR:		199750
Submitted by:	lantw44@gmail.com

 

18:20 jgh 

- fix outdated dependencies, and address old api [1]
- while here address autoplist issue and sort python variables

PR:		199108 [1]
Submitted by:	lantw44@gmail.com [1]

 

23:05 antoine 

Fix a typo in RUN_DEPENDS

 

16:23 jgh 

- py-spice-gtk has been added as dependency
- bump portrevision

PR:		195809
Reported by:	amdmi3@

 

18:07 jgh 

- remove CPE information, as it is not registered

 

22:33 jgh 

- detect libosinfo more effectively
- add cpe information
- remove pkg-plist (missed in r372972)

 

00:48 jgh 

- update to 1.1.0
- patch to work with gtk2/3 [1]
- this update obsoletes net-mgmt/virtinst (merged)

Changelog: See http://virt-manager.org/download/
Obtained from:	https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE \
                :Factory/virt-manager/virt-manager-Gtk-30.patch [1]

 

11:49 kwm 

The FreeBSD GNOME team proudly presents GNOME 3.14 and Cinnamon 2.2.
Gnome 3.14.1 and Cinnamon 2.2.16 are supported on FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE and up.

This commit removes the old GNOME 2 desktop, bindings and some ports that
can't be compiled. A few ports where updated to more recent versions to
allow them to compile with this update.

Apart from updating ports to newer versions

GDM is more integrated with gnome-shell now, and handles several things for
the GNOME desktop such as screen locking. If you want to use GNOME 3 via
startx, you will have to add your own lock screen/screensaver. For example
xscreensaver
can be used for sessions started without GDM.

Shell Extensions can be installed via https://extensions.gnome.org/ , we have
ported a few that can't be installed via this way.
The old gnome-utils and gnome-games ports where split up into single ports
and where converted to meta-ports.
gnome-terminal requires a UTF-8 locale to run, gdm handles this already, but
if you use startx you need to do this yourself.

Upgrade instructions:

Delete the old and conflicting packages:
# pkg delete clutter gnome-utils gnome-panel gnome-keyring vala-vapigen \
    guile gcalctool gnome-media libgnomekbd
# pkg delete gnome-screensaver gnome-applets bug-buddy evolution-exchange \
    evolution-webcal gnome-system-tools seahorse-plugins gnome-control-center

For package users the following lines will be enough:
# pkg upgrade
# pkg install gnome3

For ports users should do the following:
# portmaster -a
# portmaster x11/gnome3

We are currently aware of two issues. The first issue is a bug in the
file monitoring code in the glib20 port. This bug causes glib programs
to crash when files in a monitored directory are added or removed.
Upstream is aware of the problem, but since the problem is quite complex
there is no solution yet. This problem isn't restricted to BSD.

The second issue is that on certain video cards totem will display a
purple/pink overlay on the video. It not clear yet where the issues
comes from.

Major thanks goes to Gustau Perez for being a driving force behind getting
GNOME 3 up to speed again. Also thanks to Antoine Brodin for running the
exp-runs.

This update was also made possible by:
	Joe Maloney
	Kris Moore
	Beeblebrox
	Ryan Lortie
	Antoine Jacoutot
	and everyone I missed

 

18:41 jgh 

- update libvirt to 1.2.10
- chase shared library bump

 

22:17 jgh 

- update libvirt,py-libvirt,libvirt-glib to 0.1.9
- shift var from ${PREFIX} to /var
- bump shared libs of dep. port

PR:		192441 (based on)
Submitted by:	olevole@olevole.ru

 

08:50 mva 

- Convert ports from databases/ and deskutils/ to new USES=python

Approved by:	portmgr (implicit)

 

20:50 gerald 

Update the default version of GCC in the Ports Collection from GCC 4.7.4
to GCC 4.8.3.

Part II, Bump PORTREVISIONs.

PR:		192025
Tested by:	antoine (-exp runs)
Approved by:	portmgr (implicit)

 

21:21 tijl 

security/libssh2:
- Convert to USES=libtool and USES=pathfix
- Add INSTALL_TARGET=install-strip
- Only depend on openssl if GCRYPT option is off
- Sanitize libssh2.pc

devel/libvirt:
- Remove workaround for broken libssh2.pc
- Add USES=libtool and bump dependent ports
- Convert to INSTALL_TARGET=install-strip

devel/libvirt-glib:
- Convert to USES=libtool

Approved by:	portmgr (implicit, bump unstaged port)

 

14:53 jgh 

- bring in dependency of devel/py-libvirt

PR:		ports/190278
Submitted by:	rakuco@

 

18:28 zeising 

The FreeBSD x11@ and graphics team proudly presents
a zeising, kwm production, with help from dumbbell, bdrewery:

NEW XORG ON FREEBSD 9-STABLE AND 10-STABLE

This update switches over to use the new xorg stack by default on FreeBSD 9
and 10 stable, on osversions where vt(9) is available.
It is still possible to use the old stack by specifying WITHOUT_NEW_XORG in
/etc/make.conf .
FreeBSD 8-STABLE and released versions of FreeBSD still use
the old version.
A package repository with binary packages for new xorg will
be available soon.

This patch also contains updates of libxcb and related ports, pixman, as well
as some drivers and utilities.

Bump portrevisions for xf86-* ports, as well as virtualbox-ose-additions due
to xserver version change.

Apart from these updates, the way shared libraries are handled has been
changed for all xorg ports, as well as libxml2 and freetype, which means
ltverhack is gone and as a consequence shared libraries have been bumped.
The plan is that this change will make library bumps less likely in the
future.
All affected ports have had their portrevisions bumped as a consequence of
this.

Fix some issues where WITH_NEW_XORG weren't detected properly on CURRENT.

Update instructions, hardware support, and more notes can be found on
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics

Thanks to:	all testers, bdrewery and the FreeBSD x11@ team
exp-run by:	bdrewery [1]
PR:		ports/187602 [1]
Approved by:	portmgr (bdrewery), core (jhb)

 

13:18 bapt 

Supprot stage
Use options helpers

 

13:36 ehaupt 

Remove trailing whitespaces from category deskutils

 

13:54 ehaupt 

According to the Porter's Handbook (5.12.2.3.) default options must be added to
OPTIONS_DEFINE. This policy has been implemented only recently that's why we
have many ports violating this policy.

This patch adds the default options specified in the Porter's Handbook to
OPTIONS_DEFINE where they are being used. Ports maintained by
gnome@FreeBSD.org, kde@FreeBSD.org and x11@FreeBSD.org have been excluded.

Approved by:    portmgr (bapt)

 

00:46 bapt 

Part 1 at removing now useless FETCH_ARGS redifition

 

23:54 jgh 

- update to 1.2.0 and bump shared libraries in respective ports
- while here shift new lib_depends format where needed

Changes:	http://libvirt.org/news.html

 

18:28 bapt 

In preparation for making libtool generate libraries with a sane name, fix all
LIB_DEPENDS in deskutils

 

16:21 bapt 

Add NO_STAGE all over the place in preparation for the staging support (cat:
deskutils)

 

23:32 jgh 

- attempt to fix fetch from third-party
- add to public_distfiles while here as this issue has come up too often lately

Reported by: pkg-fallout@

 

01:22 jgh 

- convert USE_GMAKE to USES=gmake

 

20:23 jgh 

- update to 1.1.0 and bump shared libraries in respective ports
- while here:
  - fix option check in sysutils/cfengine34
  - move devel/libvirt-glib to use glib20 in favor of gio-fam-backend (suggested
by kwm@)
  - restore ABI version in net-mgmt/collectd5

 

18:10 ak 

- Convert USE_GETTEXT to USES (part 3)

Approved by:	portmgr (bapt)

 

23:25 jgh 

- update deskutils/virt-manager to 0.9.5
- update net-mgmt/virtinst to 0.600.4

Feature safe:	yes

 

00:48 jgh 

- update libvirt to 1.0.0, and bump others for shlib change
- explictly tie to ABI version, required
- update historical headers
- add shared description for libvirt

 

22:53 jgh 

- typo

Spotted by: beat@

 

21:48 jgh 

- follow r303724 shlib bump of libvirt

 

16:18 jgh 

- update to 0.9.4, remove patchfile as it was merged into release
The virt-manager release includes:
- Fix VNC keygrab issues

05:48 jgh 

- update to 0.9.3
 * Convert to gtkbuilder: UI can now be editted with modern glade tool
 * virt-manager no longer runs on RHEL5, but can manage a remote RHEL5 host
 * Option to configure spapr net and disk devices for pseries (Li Zhang)
 * Many bug fixes and improvements
- bring in patch already pushed upstream for hardcoding of python
 (http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=virt-manager.git;a=commit;h=30282a17091014ba5a96d20f4260df55779933c4)
- account for NLS

05:26 dinoex 

- update png to 1.5.10

01:40 jgh 

- Update to 0.9.1

Approved by:    crees, rene (mentors, implicit)

17:10 jgh 

move contributor address => jgh

Approved by:    crees (mentor)

03:58 eadler 

- Remove unnecessary GNOME components

PR:             159922
Submitted by:   Jason Helfman <jhelfman@experts-exchange.com> (maintainer)
Approved by:    sahil (mentor)

15:22 arved 

Update to 0.9.0

PR:             159262
Submitted by:   maintainer

13:39 decke 

The "Virtual Machine Manager" application (virt-manager for short package name)
is a desktop user interface for managing virtual machines. It presents a summary
view of running domains, their live performance & resource utilization
statistics. The detailed view graphs performance & utilization over time.
Wizards enable the creation of new domains, and configuration & adjustment of a
domain's resource allocation & virtual hardware. An embedded VNC client viewer
presents a full graphical console to the guest domain.

WWW: http://virt-manager.org

PR:             ports/157735
Submitted by:   Jason Helfman <jhelfman@experts-exchange.com>