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 Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: JunkMale 
Date:   04-12-03 23:24

If you have recently sent money to FreshPorts, please read this: http://www.freshports.org/fraud/ as you have may been the victim of fraud.

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Dan Langille - webmaster

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: Mike 
Date:   08-12-03 06:00

I feel for you brother. That is some horrible lame behavior. And let me tell you, I thought I have seen it all. Until this abortion.

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: Andreas Koepke 
Date:   09-12-03 08:10

That is just so wrong... I think those claims at being innocent are just so poor.

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: Andrew 
Date:   09-12-03 16:16

I'd buy their excuses... if it weren't so easy to just redirect the site with a frame attached at the top asking for money! I think I remember hearing about something like this before, 4-5 years ago... I doubt they collected any serious money out of it, however. S'ppose it makes you want to google your own content every once in awhile and make sure noone is sucking it up...

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: Harold 
Date:   10-12-03 10:07

was the index page also a html page or a server-side parsed one like .php?

if html then their claims of "we didn't use blabla script for ip detection on the donation page" are really bogus :P

unless their site admin has turned on the .htm(l) extension for PHP or so, but that's very rare :)

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: JunkMale 
Date:   10-12-03 12:35

Harold wrote:

> was the index page also a html page or a server-side parsed one
> like .php?

Their code for the index page is at http://www.freshports.org/fraud/freshports.net.code.php. From memory, it was an .html file.

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Dan Langille - webmaster

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: Harold 
Date:   10-12-03 13:29

in any case the inclusion of your content in their site without prior agreement is enough to sue them for copyright infringement if you desire to do so.

I operate a small messageboard and have a few Swedish members, would you like me to ask them to lend you a hand with any translation/conversation/... ?

In any case, my honest thanks for freshports.org and the freebsddiary.org, I've enjoyed them a lot already. :)

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: JunkMale 
Date:   10-12-03 13:35

Harold wrote:

> in any case the inclusion of your content in their site without
> prior agreement is enough to sue them for copyright
> infringement if you desire to do so.

True. There are sufficient independent witnesses. I have contacted their ISPs who have not responded to my messages. I note however that freshports.net is under a registrar lock. For what it's worth, at one time, I did own freshports.net

> I operate a small messageboard and have a few Swedish members,
> would you like me to ask them to lend you a hand with any
> translation/conversation/... ?

Heh, sure. Please ask them their opinions of adminforum.se.

> In any case, my honest thanks for freshports.org and the
> freebsddiary.org, I've enjoyed them a lot already. :)

My pleasure. Thank you.

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Dan Langille - webmaster

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: Andreas Koepke 
Date:   11-12-03 10:14

The index page is just a framset nesting the main freshports.org site under their payment frame.

They could argue that they did not tamper with your site or copy any section of it, all they did was wrap it in a frame. Your browser made a request to the page and obtained the content, not their server.

Its a real grey area really.

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: JunkMale 
Date:   11-12-03 12:27

Andreas Koepke wrote:

> The index page is just a framset nesting the main
> freshports.org site under their payment frame.

This is true. It can be verified using the code I captured and displayed on the webpage.

> copy any section of it, all they did was wrap it in a frame.
> Your browser made a request to the page and obtained the
> content, not their server.

You go to their server, you see my content. That is quite clear. It is proven without doubt.

> Its a real grey area really.

Their intent was quite clear. I don't think anyone can deny that.

Legal opinions obtained in Sweden indicate they have broken a couple of laws which may result in a fine or jail.

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Dan Langille - webmaster

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: Harold 
Date:   11-12-03 12:43

yes but the dynamic or static 'nature' of the page would've been a clear indication of intent regardless of the already occurring copyright infringement via the frame inclusion of freshports.net

don't forget that their argument was that they did not check a certain script for that donate page and that it only was to appear for non freshport.org, swedish content.

This requires that the index page, in this case the frame index, be dynamically written (usually via a server-side language such as php, sometimes via clientside script but there was none in this source captured by Dan Langille) to represent changes.

If they didn't have a dynamic page then the intent is clear: fraud. Otherwise there could be a reasonable doubt (though a very very tiny one given that any webmaster normally surfs his own sites and this being an über-obvious 'error' to spot :p)

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 from sweden with love
Author: Martin Gumucio 
Date:   12-12-03 12:23

Just so you non-swedish people don't miss out on just how serious these are. The MSN summary about freshports.net was "21 sexual positions.. play the BEAR game"

There are some good swedish freebsd sites, starting with www.freebsd.se, that are worth checking out. I never heard of anything like a "swedish version of freshports" tho, sounds like bs to me.



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 fresh port from lesbian GNU/linux
Author: Harold 
Date:   12-12-03 17:13

cd /usr/ports/xxx/position18
make it happen ? ;)




http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ :P

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: dookie 
Date:   09-11-04 15:52

I think a really big deal has been made of this. The chap it seems was merely a bsd fan, trying to mirror the ports pages, and openbsd ports too, and perhaps hoping to get a few donations to help pay for the hosting.

Seriously how many people donate to make anything significant. Max he should have done is asked freshports.org for permission. But in this BSD world some of us live in, we think the source of web content is also open enuf as the BSD license and i can copy it and do whatever we want with it. Can we stop calling this poor guy a criminal.

Real theives are people who take freebsd code and put it into things like linux, and other OSes and dont give credit. At least apple gives credit, the whole tcp/ip stack in win9x was taken from *bsd projects without credit. boo-hoo maybe we should accuse them for fraud too, they are making some serious money.

let it be!



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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: JunkMale 
Date:   09-11-04 16:03

dookie wrote:

> I think a really big deal has been made of this.

[snip]

> let it be!

We had let it be. If you check, and read carefully, you'll see that you're the first person to comment on this thread since 2003.

You seem to be the person bringing it up again. We let it die more than 11 months ago.

That doesn't make what he did any better/worse.

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Dan Langille - webmaster

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 Re: Fraud - donated lately? ask for refunds
Author: R.B.Young 
Date:   24-12-04 02:28

It was obviously fraud and obviously copyright infringement. This person intended to make money by using someone elses trademark (registered or not) and then used copyrighted material against the copyright owners best interest. Theft involves the intent to deprive the rightful owner of the use of their property. Freshports asks for donations, he tried to intercept some of those donations. He is a thief. You don't need to think hard to figure that out -- and The Only Grey is a Cloudy Mind(tm).

The BSD world I've been in for 12+ years holds no grudge against anyone for using the OS for any purpose. It does however expect people to obey copyright law. Just because I use BSD or advocate it does not mean that I somehow give up my rights to work that I create myself. I could even use the GPL or some other license, or even charge for binaries and not release the source (not that that would be very useful).

MS for all of it's evils obeys the BSD license last time I checked. I don't think I or any other person with a real BSD background resents that. I think it is marvelous. Basically the entire planet uses the BSD TCP/IP stack.



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